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Shit We Don't Talk About
Ep. 86 - Dr. Sam Graber - Part 2: Navigating Hormonal Health: Beyond the Linear Path
What if everything you've been told about menopause and metabolism has been fundamentally wrong? In this eye-opening conversation with Dr. Sam Graber, we challenge the "linear path" narrative that has been sold to women for generations and explore how our metabolic health forms the foundation for navigating menopause with greater ease.
Dr. Sam doesn't pull any punches as she explains why the medical system isn't designed to guide you toward optimal health—only to identify disease. "I don't recommend going to your doctor to learn about health," she candidly states, offering instead a framework for understanding how your body actually works. We dive deep into the metabolic underpinnings of women's health, exploring how insulin resistance, stress hormones, and nutritional choices directly impact your menopause experience.
The conversation takes a powerful turn when we address how Gen X women (now all in perimenopause or menopause) were completely unprepared for this transition. We discuss how to bridge this knowledge gap for younger generations while providing practical guidance for women of all ages to understand their unique metabolic needs. Dr. Sam offers clear, actionable advice on nutrition priorities, starting with quality protein and health-supporting fats, while warning against the "pill for every ill" mentality that has dominated women's healthcare.
Perhaps most empowering is Dr. Sam's call for personal sovereignty over your health journey: "No one's coming to save you—that's the good news and the bad news." Every food choice, every lifestyle decision either builds your health or moves you toward dysfunction. The choice, as Dr. Sam reminds us, is entirely yours—and you can step into the driver's seat at any moment, regardless of your past choices or current health status.
Curious about taking control of your metabolic health during menopause? Listen now and discover why the most powerful lever you can pull is what—and when—you eat. Your body is talking. Are you ready to listen?
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Hey, welcome to the latest episode of Shit. We Don't Talk About the podcast that takes on topics that need more open and honest discussion, which means some of these topics are triggering. So please take care when listening and I'll always give you a trigger warning. For instance, here's one Every episode contains swear words. You've been warned. Make sure to check out the show notes, which include an accessibility transcript of the podcast and all of the links for our guests at shitwedonttalkaboutpodcastcom. Welcome to part two with Dr Sam Graber, as we continue our conversation about menopause and metabolism. You're going to love it. Hi, dr Sam, we're back at it. We are back. Watch out world, get your coffee, get a comfortable chair, get a drink whatever you need to do.
Mia Voss:We have more things to say? All right, so we're going to do the identifiers here in the beginning. I am Mia Voss, blonde, white woman, blonde with roots, again 60 years old, legacy Gen Xer. I am wearing a green dress and I don't have glasses on today. How about you?
Dr. Sam Graber:Yes, Hello, I am Sam Graber, white woman. I have silvering grayish hair, wearing a blue top, and I too do not have my glasses on today, but we both have our.
Dr. Sam Graber:I am 53 years old. Yes, you are another Gen Xer. We both also have our voluminous plant wear in the background. Well, when I finally put this on YouTube, you'll see what I'm talking about. Yeah, you bet, john. Well, when I finally put this on YouTube, you'll see what I'm talking about. Yeah, you bet. Okay. So hopefully you've listened to the first episode by now, because we had a lot to say and Dr Sam jumped into a lot of what metabolic type of things and anything to do with health, because menopause is the name of the game and what we'd like to cover today Can't guarantee it. We may fall down a rabbit hole or two.
Dr. Sam Graber:Stay tuned on that I can guarantee that part.
Mia Voss:That part I can definitely guarantee. But I love the part and we've talked about this of including younger generations in this, bringing them along, of talking about their health, Because the biggest thing that happens with us as Gen Xers is how much we were underserved in being informed about what was happening with our bodies.
Dr. Sam Graber:Yeah, yeah, we really were. And I think, you know, and it's no fault of the generations prior to us, it was just we don't speak about these things. There was never any right. There was never any talk about even our period. It was just something. Oh, here's a little like I remember getting this pad and here's a pad you know, and it was almost like a quiet pass off.
Mia Voss:It really. Yeah, it really was. We were so underserved as far as the starting of the period anything to do with anything problematic my goodness that was that was not addressed at all. That was a suffer in silence thing.
Dr. Sam Graber:Definitely yes, and even just what it is to be female and what you know. We have cycles and yay, I'm so glad we do. We don't have the same experience 24 hours, every 24 hours. You know, we touched base on that last time as well. We have a cyclic, more cyclical nature. We are long cycle creatures and that is built in by it's, by design really, and it allows us to experience things differently, tap into different parts of our of our biology and our psychology at different times, and it can be phenomenal. And you know, and as we touched on last time, you know, there there's this natural, designing shift, of shift that is supposed to happen.
Dr. Sam Graber:But sometimes, because of the way we live, or the lifestyle that we are kind of forced to live, because maybe by, you know, by association with someone else, or our family dynamics, or by our workplace or, you know, whatever other circumstances we find ourselves in, we're in this linear path of people expecting this linear kind of setting for us. But that's just completely unnatural. Life doesn't occur on a linear path. There's ups and downs, there's come back and repeat, there's complete diversions from things, and so that can be really challenging. Where we think we start our period, we have our period maybe some babies, maybe not and then we stop our period and boom, we're done. And you know we've we've talked about this idea of reproductive health and what that really means. But we are so much more than our ability or inability or choice not to reproduce.
Mia Voss:We really are so much more. It is. And we were saying that before I hit the start button, because I had mentioned reproductive health and I love that we can change that dialogue. So, as I asked you, I said, okay, well, what do you think we should say? And you just said women's health. And on the point as far as the linear path, first of all, there's nothing linear about me and two things once I realized about myself. One, I'm an ambivert.
Mia Voss:I'm an ambivert, I'm an outgoing introvert, and that's been incredibly empowering right To know my own cycles, speaking of cycles, but also the linear path has been sold to us as it's been normalized, and what a disservice.
Dr. Sam Graber:It really is. It really is, and I don't think that we even know to question that. But that's why we have these kind of candid conversations. So we start talking about the shit we don't talk about, right, we start saying, giving language to it and also coming from a place of this is just my perspective, this is just your perspective, this is our collective conversation. But we are not here saying we have it all figured out, because we'd be big fat liars, because we cannot possibly have it all figured out. It's just our perspectives at this very moment in time and I can definitely tell you it will shift over time.
Mia Voss:I hope so, and I think that's part of the shift too is instead of just saying, well, we can't figure it out, so we're just going to slap something on it and I think that would be.
Mia Voss:That's a great segue into discussing bridging the gap between the generations, because us as gen x, you and I had this reality check and I still need to do a tick tock on this the fact that all of gen x at this point should be or are in paramenopause or menopause, because that was 1980 or 1965 to 1980. So that is 45 to 60. So that is a reality check. And I think what would be great as far as having these conversations is normalizing it to speak to younger women and I really actually do that quite often of when I hear these things that actually I didn't have, like PCOS or a lot of these different things, endometriosis that did not occur or that wasn't talked about as much. So normalizing that conversation of there is no normal in a way, I think is empowering I do too.
Dr. Sam Graber:Yeah, I do too, and I think maybe it was. We didn't have the ability to diagnose as much. But you know me, I'm going to always bring it back to the metabolic health. So much of women's health really can be traced back to metabolic health when we're not healthy in our metabolism. And just to remind folks, metabolism is not just what you weigh and how much size you know, what your size of your body is. It has nothing to do with just that. It has everything to do with how all of your cells work. Your cells are metabolizing energy and, you know, create their metabolizing substrates and creating energy every single one of them. Yeah, when we look at that, mitochondria like that, that is the stuff that we need to start focusing on more than you know. Eat less, move more, because it is. It is so much more diverse than that, so much bigger a conversation, and that is what's truly women's health or men's health or just plain old human health. We don't even need to qualify it all the time because we share so much of the experience.
Mia Voss:So I'm going to challenge you on that to help us out. So, with that, how can we like where would somebody start? So you have my age and then again talking about bridging this gap and helping bring along women in Gen Z, millennial, and all that tell us a couple of things where people can start diving into that on a daily basis. Or what would somebody do like starting right now of figuring that out and being more aware of their metabolic health?
Dr. Sam Graber:Metabolic. For me, it always comes back to eating real food and I remind my clients and it's like a mantra we focus primarily on our protein. We want the best source of protein that we can afford, whatever's in our budget. Protein meaning that, whatever the I'm more of a meat-centric gal. I know there are people who are more plant-centric. You want to have a variety to it as well, and in the greatest scheme of it. Now, if you have a lot of allergens, or let's say that you need to be more on an elimination diet, because possibly you have a lot of interactions with stuff that's passed off as food, and I say it that way specifically because much of what is marketed and sold as food has no real nourishment to it. It may send off little bells and whistles in your brain like, oh, this tastes so good, I love it, give me more. But real food doesn't necessarily do that, you know so.
Dr. Sam Graber:Real food is, is created of the earth, and that is, you know, to be, a sustenance for us, to help us grow. So protein is the stuff that builds us. Protein is the building block, and that's so incredibly important. And then on top of that yeah, on top of that we've got our fats and our fats. I really wish there was a different word between the fat on our body and the fats that we eat, or the lipids, because our fats become part of our cells, which then helps with our metabolic health, right? So we've got the layers of, you know, around the cell that's made up of lipids, but then we also have fats that can be burned and that creates something called, you know, a ketone.
Dr. Sam Graber:If those are broken down, those fats are broken down and then that can be energy that we use. But we will never be in fat burning mode, which is creating ketones, and carb burning mode, or glucose, like. You cannot be in both at the same time and it's not like just this little flip of a switch. The same time and it's not like just this little flip of a switch you have to prime the body to be able to actually burn the fats that we're eating or the fats that are on our body. So it's very complex, but it doesn't have to be as complicated as we've been sold. We've been sold that gateway.
Mia Voss:Oh right, I mean and I think that goes with what you just said as far as you know these foods, that that trigger these little things, we've been really programmed for that as well, again with a nonlinear path, and that's why I love the conversation, too, about empowering people at a younger age. So they're not going to get to, and I feel like I'm the prime example of somebody who is so incredibly ill prepared for menopause, so incredibly ill prepared for menopause Unbelievable how unprepared I was, which, quite frankly, is why I started this podcast, because I could not believe how much this is the shit. We're not you know shit. We don't talk about type of thing too as well. So I love that for us to get to that healthier mindset.
Mia Voss:So that one, I think again, like talking to you said that everybody is different. So I think, finding what your normal is and I can even see it for myself in going through my hormone replacement therapy journey it's totally different than when I started three years ago, and so I really do have to pay attention to it. It is not a plug and play, right.
Dr. Sam Graber:No, it's not, and I'm really very clear to say in everything that I talk about or write is that we have more of a say in what we experience than we think and really the most powerful lever that we can pull is what we eat and when we eat those two things, when you can dial in how that works well for you. Some people are more insulin sensitive, so they might have a higher carb tolerance or carbohydrate tolerance. Others who are insulin like resistant where that term is getting a little more play what that basically means is your body's producing insulin. In fact, you might be marinating in the stuff, but your body is not responding to the, the signals that insulin is giving.
Dr. Sam Graber:Which insulin is a storage substance, hormone. It says, okay, store this for later, because we do not know when we're going to have, you know, a big bad famine or something which, of course, we don't really have to face right now, or much in our lives, right, but we can be undernourished on a very regular basis and that is almost like a famine of nourishment. So that can cause our bodies, yeah, to be creating all of this, this marinating kind of insulin, but our body isn't able to respond to it. So I think people they need to understand some of these basics, like what is literally going on behind the metabolic curtain, because when you're informed, you are able to make better choices. And it's very similar to with menopause or with our female, our hormones in general, how all those hormones fit together. It's not just your sex hormones, right, it's insulin, cortisol, we've got adrenaline, we've got all sorts of hormones.
Mia Voss:I always call it on the feeding thing my body's going. I don't know when this bitch is going to feed me again.
Mia Voss:Yeah, we get so, so busy, and I and what's interesting about this conversation too? I'm going to pull it back out to a broader piece. This is all just thinking in terms of how expensive it is to eat well, how overtaxed women are in general, and then the fact of we're not getting equal pay, there's not a lot of mutual aid, I mean. There's just so many factors to it too, and so I think we do, you know, starting with our own selves. And let me, let me ask you how would you feel, how would you say that people can at least get informed on that? Just starting from kind of like me is who I am. Is that going to a? What kind of doctor would I want to see? Like, give me a quick little path that somebody could start a starter kit, so to speak.
Mia Voss:I'm really challenging you today because you're so smart and I'm picking your brain.
Dr. Sam Graber:I love it, I love it, pound for pound. I don't recommend going to your doctor to learn about health. And I'm going to say that and like, can I just say that I mean that whole system is there to look for disease and they're dang good at that. Like that is what they do. And literally I can't tell you how many people have said to me my doctor said I'm so healthy they don't know what to do with me. And I think that's a pretty sad. I think they should be celebrating you like yay, you're healthy, let's keep you that way.
Dr. Sam Graber:But it's, the system really is set about ferreting out diseases. It's like we have pills for these certain things. These are the screenings we do. You know we don't have pills for certain things. What do you know? We don't do those screenings. It's really it's an unfortunate reality, but I personally wouldn't go to the medical system.
Dr. Sam Graber:Now there are some doctors that are talking about awareness and education and you know they have courses and you know I've got courses of how to learn about your body and you know you can definitely research some of that. Like, like you were just mentioning, we're so dang busy, like how are we going to go out and do all this research ourselves. So I would say find some, some people, and I don't necessarily want to say the influencers. You know, many times people are selling some sort of pill, potion procedure or something. Look for people that are just genuinely educating you and find stuff that you're curious about. Get curious about your body and how amazing it is and how it works and what it's trying to tell you when it's like hey, I got an issue going on here. Get curious about that, right.
Mia Voss:I love that, thank you, and I think that's a and we'll we'll have some resources too in the in the show notes as well. So let's talk again about going back to the younger gen. Here's something that you mentioned and I think you have run into this with clients and people that you've worked with the younger generation that are not. They're too young for menopause or they're not in that age.
Mia Voss:Again, we just talked about Gen X being fully all-empowerment menopause or menopause all in perimenopause or menopause, but then women who are younger, who have had hysterectomies or have had a lot of problems, that things aren't working what would be according to the norm. I think that that's such an underserved population and they probably feel like they're really kind of not being recognized.
Dr. Sam Graber:Yes, yeah, and it becomes more of that if there it's the chase for the diagnosis like what's the cause here? And then they'll give you the PCOS or the polycystic ovarian syndrome that is directly tied to insulin resistance. There is a lot of research coming out really showing that and as a whole whole reason why we've got the cascade of cholesterol is the backbone for most of these hormones, at least the sex hormones you're. You're looking at your cortisol as well. So when your body is really super stressed it's going to shunt, or it they call it a pregnenolone steel multi.
Dr. Sam Graber:You know, I'll give you a bonus points if you use that word in a sentence at some point, but it's essentially where the body is like, hey, I am stressed man, I am full tilt all the time. I don't have time to be making no babies, I don't have time to be doing this whole cycle thing. I don't have that energy. So it will just rob all those, those basic building blocks. And then if we're not getting enough fats in our diet, we're not getting enough of those healing fats, we don't have the raw materials to build the hormones to help balance it all out. And because we're purposefully made ignorant on what's going on with us, because we're not really taught these things and not that that's always-.
Mia Voss:Purposefully led to it right, just by the education that we have and we'll get into that about National Institutes of Health, and it's going to get worse, I hate to say it. It felt like it was getting better, but yes, yes go.
Dr. Sam Graber:It's really up to us to advocate for ourselves and, like I say, just get educated. It does not mean you need to go get a nursing degree or a medical degree or anything like that. You just have to be in the rooms where they're talking about health and you need to look at the person you're taking advice from and say, would I want to change places with them? You know it'd be the same for a wealth advisor. You don't want a wealth advisor who's out there with a little cardboard sign trying to make extra money. You want a wealth advisor that's doing well, living their talk, walking their walk. Same here with health, and it's got to be something that resonates with you.
Dr. Sam Graber:We have been conditioned that there's a pill for every ill and some people are good with that and good on them. I am not good with that personally or really professionally. I think we have so much more ability in our own bodies. Our bodies are brilliant by design. I mean what we can heal from, what we can prevent, how strong we can be. It is all phenomenal to me. But our lifestyle, the way we live, the way we don't sleep, the way we take a pill to go to sleep, the way we take something to wake us up. We're so out of touch with our nature that we just don't even function the way that humans are designed to function.
Mia Voss:Absolutely, and I think that is something that we do have to pay attention to, and I saw a story recently, something I saw on the internet, on social media, but it was such an interesting and it saddened me, but it at least was telling the truth of a woman saying she had been going to the doctor with various complaints or different conditions she was struggling or suffering from and they just kept saying here's your BMI, your body mass index, and here's your weight.
Mia Voss:If you just lose weight, everything will be fine. And they really really stuck to that. I know that just makes you grimace when you hear that, right, and so this woman loses the weight and comes back, I don't know, six to maybe eight to 12 months later and they said, oh great, everything's fine. She's like, but I'm still struggling with these things that I spoke to you about a year ago and then this was a pretty extreme case. But then it turns out she had something where and it might've been endometriosis or something that was really you know, actually she ended up having a hysterectomy and she's like if you had listened to me and diagnosed me, and that really is part of the advocating for yourself.
Mia Voss:And then is there. I cannot think of the type of doctors, but there are more of the holistic type of physicians that you can go see. Could you, could you name some of that? Just outside of your general physician.
Dr. Sam Graber:Yeah, so you've got your GP, and that's the gatekeeper to most things, and those folks are just so overworked I feel for them. But then there's a newer term called an integrative doctor Now buyer, beware, though. Now if they're an MD and they're getting their integrative, they have a lot of the baseline knowledge, you know. They have that education to back them up. There are, unfortunately, some programs out there that are graduating people with this and they're saying that they can use this term integrative, whether it's nutritionist or something along those lines. So be careful with that word integrative and definitely holistic.
Mia Voss:You know how would we check into that?
Dr. Sam Graber:I'm really look at whatever yeah, look at the institute that they have graduated from or have their their diploma from and just look and see how long it took them to get this diploma. I saw one the other day. That was like a 12 week thing and I about threw up because this person is is pursuing me to want to be on their, their show, their podcast, and I'm like hell, no, won't touch it, not going to do it, Not going to do it.
Mia Voss:Thank you for being so circumspect about that. I think we all need to be of of not saying I'm going to put my stamp on it because somebody came after me and everything. It had a lot of stuff, you know, follow the money it sounds like too Right, okay so that's a great pro tip.
Dr. Sam Graber:Thank you yeah that, and look and see their background Like if they're like hey, you know I used to sell insurance and now I'm an integrative, you know, health coach I. You know there are some really great people that have had amazing experiences and and they were able to bring about great change in their own life. But I don't think that necessarily qualifies you for really speaking to other people's experiences. Because as doctors I mean, like I went to a lot of school hello, you know, I was in practice for many, many years. I was frontline primary care physician. I have a level of expertise and understanding of the body and experience with a whole host of other variations, let's just call them. I've also been responsible for the health care of many a person. Now that I'm retired I don't have that level of responsibility, but I didn't retire my education or my experience. In fact I've just gained more and more and more and now I can bring a clinical kind of reasoning to the table that someone else, who maybe just got their diploma or their certificate, doesn't quite have. So just be really cautious when you're enlisting someone to help you. And you know that's not to say that everyone who is a health coach isn't qualified. I mean don't, don't do extremes on either side here, and I'm definitely not saying that all classically medically trained people are capable of helping you walk a health path.
Dr. Sam Graber:You know, like we talked about earlier, be cautious when going to your doctor for health advice, so to speak, because often it's just eat less, move more, you know. Cut out your sugar. You know, come these days, stop smoking, oh hello. We know all this stuff, but how do we do that? That's where behavior change. You know, working with someone who has worked with multiple people, many, many, multiples of people, so they know that, okay, if this pops up, I've seen this before. This is not new to me. I often say it's not my first rodeo, not even my 100th rodeo. I've been doing this a long time and I have a yes, that experience you cannot, you can't beat that. You can't beat it.
Mia Voss:You can't, and what I love that you have as well, to take it even to a further distinction, is your lived experiences with other people's lived experience.
Dr. Sam Graber:Yes, that's so key because I really do listen, I really do catalog all that in and I like to piece it together I love that my lived experience with other people's lived experiences.
Mia Voss:That's what it is. Yes, and I think also looking for and you mentioned this before like that, you know, are they living the life that you're looking for? And with the, I think there's a lot more accountability happening with influencers now, which I really enjoy. Plus, I have schadenfreude and I love the downfall of people who are shitty. That's just me, but I've seen a lot of influencers. There's a couple that are taking is it the GLP?
Dr. Sam Graber:ones, oh sure, yeah, and Ozempic, and are now getting dragged.
Mia Voss:There's one in particular I've just seen recently and they're really getting dragged because they have this dialogue and this presentation that they're putting out there. But there's a lot of us like me. I'm in that stubborn menopause portion of my life where I mean I skated till about 57 or 58 and I'm now 60 with not having to worry about things not fitting, and then I got a rude awakening.
Dr. Sam Graber:And so I'm in that, stubborn, and getting married.
Mia Voss:Oh my God, and I'm getting married in five months, so I really am like feeling the pressure of that. But I mean, if I were following someone like that who didn't say, uh, oh, and, by the way, and she only did it because she got forced into it, oh, by the way, yeah, I took this to get that stubborn extra 10 pounds off, but nevertheless, this course that I sold you is still valid. That's. That's what you're talking about as well too being very cautious and mindful about who you're following as well too. And I want to also bring up we wanted to mention about the National Institutes of Health and just in general, with a lot of the cuts that are happening, talk to us about how we can navigate that so that my cortisol levels don't go off the roof.
Dr. Sam Graber:Well, no guarantee there.
Dr. Sam Graber:Yeah, this is one of those exact situations where we have to study ourselves and you have to be a willing participant in what is the great experiment of your life, right, and your metabolic health and your, your experience here as a human on this earth. We can't just outsource that, and we cannot wait for the research, because most of the research is their goal. There is to be able to monetize it later, right, so we've, we've got. They want to either create a pill or a procedure, or something that can be medicalized, packaged and sold to you, right? So health and eating well is not necessarily on that docket. Now that their health can be, though, there's all the products, and you know all that crazy shenanigan stuff of. You know, take this, this particular meal replacement shake, or you know whatever, and that's monetized too.
Mia Voss:That's what I was going to say at these, these influencers, that are when they are selling something very, very specific, that follow the money on that as well. Well, like you mentioned before, with these integrative physicians, you know looking going into their background, and you have plenty of right to do that as well. We all have a right for full disclosure. There's no reason why we can't have full disclosure.
Dr. Sam Graber:Yes, yes, and many, many times the approach is throw a bunch of testing at it and see what the tests tell you, where, many, many times you don't need all that test. Now, if there's something clinically wrong, well, yes, you need to be in your doctor's office and going through the routes of getting the proper medical testing. That stuff is there for the, for the reason, but when it comes to sometimes knowing what, what is normal for you, that doesn't require a lot of testing. You know, and I'm not saying don't ever get tested.
Dr. Sam Graber:You know people sometimes will take little snips of what you say and extend that to the entirety of their life and every experience. But that's not correct. So you know, really listen and be cautious, but also step into the role of. You are a decision maker, you are responsible for yourself. That is huge and you know the thing is no one's coming to save you. That's the good news and the bad news. You know.
Dr. Sam Graber:The bad news is we think someone has to save us, but really no one's coming to save you. That's the good news and the bad news, you know. The bad news is we think someone has to save us, but really no, if we are taking charge of our own lives, doing the things that deeply nourish us body, mind and spirit and not doing the things that completely deplete us, and maybe, you know, making some decisions that aren't so fun but need to be made. You know we're not owed anything.
Dr. Sam Graber:You know that that's a that's a lot of the take home to is if you can know what your normal is and then realize, okay is, is that normal, does it fit into the parameters of more on the healthy side, or am I sliding into a disease state and then start to do the things to build your health? Because there's literally you can't take away, you can't chip away at disease, but you can build your health. Those are things you can do. Every single time you pick up a fork or drink something or any activity, you can be building your health every single day, every minute of the day, and it doesn't matter if you have been a complete you know like, if you've been completely ignoring it up till the time you hear our voices on this recording. You can absolutely step into the driver's seat 100% at any given point in time.
Mia Voss:Like right now and I know this topic in this podcast was about menopause but what she just said, this last five minutes of this, this wonderful. I felt like it was a little mini TED Talk and I'm here for it. That's for everybody. What you just said is literally for everyone, and so I think, empowering each other and then encouraging empowering ourselves, the sovereignty I mean, it is Nobody's coming to save us. You may as well take charge of it too. All right, I think I'm going to end it. I can't get any better than that. That was really wonderful and informative, and thank you for letting me just ask these. But what about? So tell me some examples of it, because I think a lot of times there's so much out there, there's so much fatigue from information, so I think that really helped us to come up with at least a little bit of plan. Do you have any closing thoughts you want to give us before we finish this up?
Dr. Sam Graber:Oh yes, I think it just really comes to that curiosity. I'm gonna say that's our word of the day. Our Sesame Street word of the day is curiosity and curiosity about yourself, and listen to that, the signals your body is giving you, because it's giving them to you. Now. It's just if we're kind of dulling ourselves with coping with alcohol or food or whatever else.
Dr. Sam Graber:Social media. Social media, hello. We might be dulling those messages, but just try to sit and if you find that it is so hard and you're resisting it, speak to someone who can help you work through that. You know, because sometimes we don't want to talk to ourselves or listen. You know, because that inner chatter can be quite the mean girl or guy, but it's telling us something. And maybe you know, surrounding yourself with a community of people that help you, that build you up, you know some, some guidance from a sage guide, that that you just vibe with, and there's so many out there. You know, so so many to choose from. But choose wisely.
Mia Voss:And I'm going to plug you real quick and then we're going to get out of here. Tell us where we can find you, because you have a blog post and a podcast and soon a sub stack as well too, and you have YouTube. So tell us where we can find you.
Dr. Sam Graber:I have all the things and you can usually find me somewhere with the at symbol then Dr Sam Graber. So D-R-S-A-M-G-R-A-B-E-R. Yes, I'm on YouTube at that handle. I will be amping up my sub stack because I do want to get away from some of the social media for all sorts of reasons. And you know, through my website, which is drsamgrabercom, and just start being curious. You know what's this chick talking about? What can I learn about myself? And then feel free to reach out. I'm I am literally accessible at this point in time. You know I haven't hit it so big that I don't have that. I have people that talk to people's people. I'm still just a one show gal, or one gal show, I guess, but yes, I love that everyone was listening today.
Mia Voss:Thank you, that was wonderful, dr Sam. Thank you for all the great information. Like she said, she's not that big yet, not that she's not accessible. Thanks for tuning in everybody. Bye.